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Ballot for them. >> lisa murkowski figured it out. >> that's a one off deal. >> i understand that. i'm answering kimberly's point, how do you do it, it will take somebody that's already been elected in some ways. >> you've still got to bring the voters back around to that because 40% doesn't get you across the finish line. >> i always say it's hard to be moderate and radical. >> yeah. >> and yet we're going to hit this point, kimberly, where people are going to be like, wait a minute, i don't agree with everything on the left, and i don't agree with -- but i want a piece of that and i want a p...

Lisa murkowski figured it out. >> that's a one-off deal. >> i understand. the point, answering kimberly's point. how do you do it? take somebody already elected in ways. >> still have to bring the voters around. 40% doesn't get you across the finish line. >> i always say, it's hard to be moderate and radical. >> yeah. >> and yet we're going to hit a point, kimberly, where people are going to go, wait a minute. i don't agree with everything on the left and i don't agree, but i want a piece of that and a piece of that. who's going to give me that? >> people are already there but afraid of throwi...