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Mark, before the proverbial hits the fan, steve bannon has not agreed, i don't think, to hand over any documents. what's curious to me is remember he was really persona non grata to donald trump at one point. it was as if they left with a romance intact. do you think as part of this, trump putting out here waiving the privilege he never actually had, sort of a final nail in the coffin to say, no, no, no, you and i, we're not friends? >> well, steve bannon, donald trump, talk about gainsmanship, the two of them have been going at each other for quite some years now. and what's happening here is...

Because he didn't think it deserved any attention whatsoever. now there are people on the right paying attention. some are hate watching it. some are mad. some are screaming at the tv like it's pro wrestling, but they're watching. i think this zigzagging thing does probably speak tie lot of ointernal turmoil at the committee and a lot of facts coming at them fast. but it also keeps people's eyes on it. >> can we take a moment to embrace the cleverness of steve bannon for a minute. >> no. actually no. >> it put the committee in an interesting position because if they put him on in a live hearin...

All the time. he wants to delegitimize the biden presidency. that was his motive in supporting the january 6th demonstration and in saying that all hell would break loose that day. so, that's what he's doing now too. he wants to disrupt this january 6th investigative committee that has been pretty successful of putting on a show of its own and presenting its message and presenting the public with carefully curated hearings each day. he wants this to be his live performance, where he can turn things upside do you know. but the gainsmanship goes both ways, and the committee understands what he's...

Somehow insert them into his political gainsmanship to retain power. thankfully those organizations are full of women and men who have sworn an oath to the constitution up and down the chain of command who i think have been classically trained in the ideals that underpin our security, intelligence and military organizations, and they were having nothing of it. the reason we got to this point where essentially trump was trying to set up a situation where might would make right. meaning, my security services would help achieve a political outcome is because donald trump took us there. i want to ...

That lawmakers have not yet discussed. what does bolton know and why aren't the democrats saying let's stick with this? >> you know, i've almost wondered from the beginning here whether there almost wasn't a little bit of gainsmanship here on behalf of bolton right now. this is somebody who exited the white house on some pretty bad circumstances. he feuded with the president about the circumstances. he had been on the outs for a number of months in that white house, as you well know. you know, given that back story, if he had just waltzed into a deposition room and started kind of ripping the ...