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You've written about the example of a 60-year-old man, one version of it it in alaska one version in another state where they end up paying in alaska the premiums would be $36,000 on such a policy. >> that's right. 60 years old, $50,000 of income, my hometown is agentever athens ohio three three the premium is triple what they are currently paying under obamacare. so it goes to $15,000. in some parts of the country it gets to 36,000, $38,000. the shift of the cost. here is the challenge. you can't take a trillion dollars out of the health care coverage system tax revenues brought into the syst...

But, even the people who would manage to hang on would be hanging on to something that would be much, much more expensive for them if any can hang on. >> yeah, i think this is really important to understand. it's not just the 22 million uninsured. it's the vision of a health system where the average insured person has a $6,000 ductable and no primary or chronic care coverage. and that's what we see in the exchanges under the senate proposal. >> and talk about what happens at the -- in the higher age brackets. you've written about the example of a 60-year-old man, one version of it it in alaska...