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Investigation like this? >> well, certainly very rare. we know that richard nixon faced impeachment and therefore was impeached by the house, didn't face senate trial and resigned in a deal that was negotiated because he was under investigation. agnew resigned after being under fbi investigation and after they proved that they had the goods on him, taking cash inside the white house. we don't know the details of this. nbc news has not indentally confirmed this but we know certainly that robert mueller has been investigating him as a target. what we don't know is fully what extent that was a co...

Once they -- >> i think you might see a bifurcated report here. remember, we have been going on 19 months. when you compare that with some of the others, nine months for ken starr, agnew nine months. and this seems to be getting on the longer side. so i think you might see a bifurcated report maybe as joyce is suggesting. >> matthew whitaker has rejected the ethics official advice that he recuse himself from overseeing the mueller probe. how does that look? >> nobody inside of the justice department rejects the advice of the career ethics and the reason for that is a good one.

Gaining the confidence of people who could put him places, hence to the u.n., chairman of the republican national committee, ambassador to china, head of the cia, which speaks well of him. it means a number of presidents and others found him a repository of talent that they needed. >> george, do you think that those variousingses -- barbara bush famously joked that her husband couldn't keep a job, because of the many positions he held through his life. do you think that served him better than potentially being named vice president prior to when he was? >> i think it did. it might have been on ...

To time. they try to stop the investigations that might hurt them, they try to sway the course of law enforcement to punish their enemies or to protect themselves. they try it. we've got instances of that in u.s. history, but what happens is they get caught or it backfires. we've seen that in history again and again. i've done this podcast that we're sort of in the middle now. it's a seven episode podcast. episode four is out right now. and a big part of what that's about is efforts in the early '70s by the nixon-agnew white house to grab ahold of ongoing law enforcement investigations to try ...

From american history that american presidents, white houses generally, they don't get along for long with efforts to pervert the course of justice. pre-s have tried it, presidents do try it from the. they try to stop the investigations that might hurt them, they try to sway the course of law enforcement to punish their enemies or to protect themselves. they try it. we've got instances of that in u.s. history, but what happens is they get caught or it backfires. we've seen that in history again and again. i've done this podcast that we're sort of in the middle now. it's a seven episode podcast...