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Decision 2024 Analysis

about the electorate, that this potential trump nominee, if he is, what have to duck or beat the trial slated for this year. polls show voters would recoil at a convention, excuse me, conviction. political word in my mind. but if there were an actual trump conviction, the polls show that voters would recoil, and that ten-point lead you see there, well with a margin for error, and leave a lot of other things in there, that is still a giant landslide for president biden reelection, again if you ask people in the various states, what about a convicted -- or going to get into all of it right now, with a very special guest for a sunday night special, live with us, andrew weissmann, the former prosecutor of the mueller probe. former fbi general counsel -- and leslie kabul, former head of the doj's criminal division, having overseen exactly those kinds of trials. welcome to both of you. -- i'll start with you, here we are, a year ago, trump wasn't convicted and awaiting trials. it does clash with the calendar. what do you see, both in the

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Decision 2024 Analysis

the trial slated for this year. polls show voters would recoil at a convention, excuse me, conviction. political word in my mind. but if there were an actual trump conviction, the polls show that voters would recoil, and that ten-point lead you see there, well with a margin for error, and leave a lot of other things in there, that is still a giant landslide for president biden reelection, again if you ask people in the various states, what about a convicted -- or going to get into all of it right now, with a very special guest for a sunday night special, live with us, andrew weissmann, the former prosecutor of the mueller probe. former fbi general counsel -- and leslie kabul, former head of the doj's criminal division, having overseen exactly those kinds of trials. welcome to both of you. -- i'll start with you, here we are, a year ago, trump wasn't convicted and awaiting trials. it does clash with the

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The ReidOut

consequences. and outside of chris christie, nary a word of condemnation was uttered by the republican party. honestly, the media didn't do much better. chalking up this argument to a seemingly bold idea or a generic immunity claim. it is also notable that at no point have any of his lawyers in any of his cases encompassing 92 criminal counts argued that trump is innocent. in fact, implied in their defenses is that he did do what he is being accused of doing. but that he had the right to do it. joining me now is andrew weissmann, former fbi general counsel and former senior member of the mueller probe and tim o'brien, senior executive etd tor of bloomberg opinion. thank you for being here. you have been here offset while i've been losing my mind about this, literally since yesterday, andrew, since i listened to this hearing. my jaw dropped. >> yep. >> i would love to get your unfiltered reaction to it and to

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How to Reform Section 702—and How Not To

Our Democratic colleagues propose requiring court approval to examine data on a U.S. person. That would end up diminishing, not protecting, privacy.

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Deadline White House

speaking to this because it goes to a larger core problem that this country has and isn't going to be resolved by any one case, whether it's the supreme court on this disqualification issue or by fani willis or alvin bragg or jack smith, as important as all of that is. >> this is such an important conversation and all we can do today is start it, but some of the fault of the pressure you felt inside the mueller probe is ours, right? i mean, i think if you were -- i mean, i was covering the mueller investigation, i think i was still registered republican, but my alarm at watching his conduct of firing comey and all of the conduct that took place in public view i think focused everyone's attention, certainly ours as a program on the work of the mueller probe. it's more the $64 million, it's the $640 million question,

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The Beat With Ari Melber

i mean, innocent people don't go seeking preemptive pardons and pleading the fifth amendment like he did before the january 6th committee when questioned about their actions. i live in d.c., and happened to be in town with the events of january 6th happen, at no point did i think, oh, i better get out of town and pack my bags and call up the president and seek a pardon. those are not the actions of a guy who genuinely believes he did nothing wrong. >> what do you see in the way that he has navigated and it got him in trouble in the mueller probe as well. he hypes, he does bluster, unlike, as you say, some more, perhaps, career potential criminals. there's a propaganda and spin element to it, and yet, on the other hand, he is, we learned, talking to insiders about the elector plot. he is consorting with some of the militias, so there's a hype to it, and then there also appears to be a there there. >> i wouldn't say the hype is

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The Beat With Ari Melber

made solely by the legislature. we must be prepared to lobby our republican legislatures. >> that's newly exposed tapes that show how roger stone was part of some of that plotting. we first broadcast it on "the beat" last week. stone has not been charged with wrong doing by jack smith or the atlanta d.a., but this footage may remind you when he was first apprehended by the fbi and later convicted of obstruction and witness tampering in 2019 in the mueller probe. this is footage he released to sinclair, he did evade prison time through a trump pardon. i want to remind folks in a rare public comment, bob mueller himself later discussed that exact case and said stone became a central figure in that probe because he communicated with russian intelligence, officers and claimed advance knowledge of wikileaks release of stolen e-mails. he remains a convicted felon and

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Velshi

devoted and dedicated prosecutors, pounding the fact pattern, and his own defenses in an indefatigable way. and that's happening right now. i think he's not used to playing in that court. i remember hearing the mueller probe, he routinely talked about the fact pattern that mueller was probing. mueller and his co prosecutors raise the issue whether or not trump was obstructing justice by doing so. he certainly was trying to influence witnesses. there wasn't a jury in play there. but now you do have a jury in play, with witnesses in play. i think judge check-in is saying, you can make a first amendment right argue it. but your first privileges your, right to free speech, they don't extend into subverting the judicial process. and they don't extend into intimidating potential witnesses. or tampering with the jury. because no one is immune from being held to the same standards in a court of law as everyone else.

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Velshi

so yes, he can make this argument, his lawyers have made it in every case has come up recently in both federal indictments, to say that this is a government trampling on his rights of free speech. it's a garbage argument, it's a gossip or argument. legally, i don't think it's gonna get him anywhere. >> tim, quickly, you mentioned the mueller probe, he's been impeached twice. he's always push the limits. why in his mind should this be any different? >> i don't think it's any different in his mind. he has a long career of regulators, and others looking at him in sort of slipping by. but remember, in the early 1970s, he and his father were investigated by the justice department for racial discrimination against potential tenants, and trump properties. and they were held to account for that. and they didn't escape that. that was essentially the last time he was subject to a serious federal probe. mueller was not taking his case to a courtroom. he was making it essentially he

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Andrea Mitchell Reports

this team? >> under certain circumstances, i would consider it. >> what would that have to be? >> that would have to be a personal conversation between me and the client. i have been vocal in the past about why i left the team. it has nothing to do with the case or the client itself. a rne it difficult for me to have the freedom to properly defend him based on the facts and evidence and not the politics. >> thank you very much, former and potential future defense attorney for donald trump. joining us now is andrew weissmann, former lead counsel on the mueller probe and deputy at the justice department. let's turn to the law here. seems like we're not just focused that the -- the indictment is not just focused on january 6 or january 5. >> absolutely that is one of the

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