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Howard. you're throwing them a bone by saying, look i, i believe in civil unions and the like, but what you're not addressing is the fact that your faith fuels the belief that to be gay is to be automatically a sinner. to be gay is to be outside the covenant of god. and i'm arguing that that already disqualified gay and lesbian and bisexual and transgender people as your equals in the faith, and i think that's a bigoted position. >> may i speak to that? >> i don't think it's bigoted for me, a catholic, for a muslim, or for a jew. all of those texts, the koran, the torah, the bible, all define ...

Saying, look i, i believe in civil unions and the like, but what you're not addressing is the fact that your faith fuels the belief that to be gay is to be automatically a sinner. to be gay is to be outside the covenant of god. and i'm arguing that that already disqualified gay and lesbian and bisexual and transgender people as your equals in the faith, and i think that's a bigoted position. >> may i speak to that? >> i don't think it's bigoted for me, a catholic, for a muslim, or for a jew. all of those texts, the koran, the torah, the bible, all define marriage as between male and female. je...

Be automatically a sinner. to be gay is to be outside the covenant of god. and i'm arguing that that already disqualified gay and lesbian and bisexual and transgender people as your equals in the faith, and i think that's a bigoted position. >> may i speak to that? >> i don't think it's bigoted for me, a catholic, for a muslim, or for a jew. all of those texts, the koran, the torah, the bible, all define marriage as between male and female. jesus says in matthew, if you want to go bible, we can go there. we can go to romans 1, michael, it's consistent. i don't want to argue faith with you, but...