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Help you, partner. >> reporter: but, after all that, frank did not make the all important and incriminating call to fred schockner asking for money. and so the very next day uncle john tried again. >> hey, did you get a hold of fred? >> no, but between you and i, i don't mind taking care of him, bud. >> reporter: frank asked for time and agreed to meet uncle john in person to hand over some money. >> do you know where the thousand oaks mall's at? >> thousand oaks mall. >> it's off of lynn road. >> lynn. >> yes, off the 101. >> reporter: lynn road, the irony was apparently lost on frank jaramil...

We're talking about it because whoever becomes the democratic nominee or even if you're fighting for the nomination, i applaud those people who go over to fox news like mayor petwho said, you know what? i want to win this thing, and he got a standing ovation over at fox news. impressi impressive. and that was my point to hillary. i knew donald trump from being on the air with him for so many years, and he provided some of the greatest radio. i knew he was a good communicator. and what do i mean by good communicator? talked like a dude. he just knew how -- he knew the audience. he knew how to p...

Tell fred that if he didn't get some help pretty soon, he was going to go to the cops. >> okay. give me a call tomorrow and i'll see what i can do to help you. >> but after all that frank did not make the incriminating call to fred asking for money. so the very next day uncle john tried again. >> hey, did you get a hold of fred? >> no, between you and i, i don't mind taking care of him. >> frank asked the time and agreed to meet uncle john in person to hand over some money. >> thousand oaks mall. >> it's on lynn road. >> lynn? >> yes, off 101. >> lynn road, the irany was apparently lost on fra...

>> lynn? >> yes, off 101. >> lynn road, the irany was apparently lost on frank. it was mid-morning late november, detective nelson was worried. would he show up? >> you sit in a parking lot by yourself and you kind of go over -- sure your heart races a little bit. i mean it's crunch time and you feel like everybody's kind of depending on you to get this done. and you want it to go well. >> so the idea is you're reeling him in like a fisherman but there are times you don't always know what's going to happen. >> right. could have a fray in the line, have it break. i've had that happen a few time...

That he had nothing to do with this. he didn't know anything about it. he wasn't aware of anything. then the president's aides put out not only was his guy on the call, he had the transcript within 24 hours and he was given the briefing when he did go over to poland as part of the mission to meet with ukraine's president. so it's a bit of a circular firing squad right now at the white house as people try to position their principles and settle some scores in the -- you know, in the process. >> i might get struck by lightning by suggesting this is some grand strategy here. but if you look at th...