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>> and you were saying, first-degree murder so unusual, when you were talking about this a little bit earlier in the year, first-degree murder against a police officer is so unusual. how hard in a court of law is that going to be to prove? >> it would normally be very hard. it goes above and beyond misuse of the weapon and goes into the officer's mental mind state of saying that he was essentially trying to have a premeditated intentional killing for no reason or justification whatsoever or that he had sort of a depraved heart, complete lack of regard for human life. now, look, i just watched ...

Reluctance on the part of public officials to prosecute police officers. and you see long, drawn-out processes that typically do not end in a prosecution. the last time that chicago police officers were charged in -- in harming a civilian and killing a civilian was in 1980. so it's been a really, really long time. it very rarely happens. what you see are these agonizing processes where any videotape involved is withheld from the public as long as possible, even withheld from the family. i cited the john crawford case where the maple had to go to court to practically demand that they see the vi...

So the day started with the prosecutor coming out this morning, talking about it and talking about the fact that she was there discussing the case and the video, because she wanted to basically get ahead of the video being released tomorrow. and that video is now being released tonight. we should have it here at msnbc shortly. we will review it before i'm just throwing it on the air, so please know that at home. but there have been so many developments and so much discussion today about this case. joy, what has stood out to you in what we've heard, especially tonight? >> besides the fact that ...

Latest. now they're saying this ship sank. >> this has been agonizing for the families. they identified the debris field as being some 225-square miles. the very painful news from the coast guard, they believe the ship did sink, but we need to underscore the point, they're continuing to treat this as a search and rescue operation, because there are 33 people aboard this ship. the owner of the ship has come out yesterday, saying that one of the containers that was found had been on the ship. the coast guard did not come out and confirm the debris they found was related to the ship. that should ...

Certain part of the republican party that wants to make the assault on culture more mainframe. do you think mike huckabee wants kim davis in jail or out of jail? >> today, he wants to re-enact letter from a birmingham jail. there's a lot of civil rights imagery heaped on kim davis, inappropriately, in my opinion. they are going to try to play that out. it's a weak hand politically. i think most people understand, first of all, 49% of the country is in favor of same-sex marriage. the tide is going in that direction. the supreme court ruled on this. this is done. you are not going to overrule it...