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Nobody responded. >> we are going to fact check that one. that was the most agregregious . it's totally, completely absolutely 100% -- we'll do a fact check on the numbers in a second. >> i was going to say that, in this format, there was time to actually get to some meat of an issue, you bring it up in this debate. as we go down the line, you have three minutes and it becomes boom, you are out. it becomes that. >> what struck me, it was very beltway centric in the fact that the long term fiscal health of the country is the central issue for the people that work in washington think tanks that ...

Out there and advocate for a nonredistributive tax plan. >> actually, if you look at his tax plan closely, it's about as close to a flat tax plan as has existed since the reagan years. what he's done is he -- and what he was advocating for is a highly simplified plan. the tax code, by the way, is 70,000 pages. 70,000. you know why it's 70,000 pages? for the last multiple decades, politicians have sold for donations have sold exemptions to the code. let's simplify it. we can come to that one. let's simplify it. let's lower marginal rates and get rid of, not all, but most of the agregregious exe...