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Couldn't make it work. you know, it is illegal that the transgression of entering the country is against the part of the law in the united states code how you enter the country and people have broken a law. this is a straight forward description. undocumented, that carries its own. it's doing its own work. undocumented is neutral as well. undocumented communicates, it has its own affect, which is to communicate this as bureaucratic. this is an oversight, if you are undocumented. >> so, the issue really concerns all americans. using language correctly. i'm going to ask you a question, chris. >>...

Affordable care act and a little bit about dodd frank. those are the issue that is are central to the beltway of reporting about the economy. very little about jobs and jobs creation except how regulation kills it and small business references. there was a panel plea of domestic policy issue that is are incredibly important that were not talked about. there's only one more debate that includes domestic policy. we have thursday night's vice president debate. we are talking about what was not in there that we would like to see. we talked contraception. i talked gun control and the medical mariju...

>> you are right about climate change. it's a huge issue and it's about the energy policy and the question of whether we are going to be in denial about it is threatening to the planet. it takes a certain amount of confidence we have to project to say this is a problem and in taking it on, through efficiency, through clean technology, we can create jobs, wealth and make a better planet. there's an economic opportunity here. vermont has been, we believe in it. we believe in efficiency and alternative energy. my wife is a total energy nerd. >> lack of carbon footprint here. >> i think the doubly...

Very fluid conversation. you stop people and say not all undocumented people are mexican. it's been fascinating for me, once people actually face somebody who they think -- >> right. >> oh, you're illegal -- no. you don't have papers? we have so largely dehumanized this. our job is being more descriptive, you know, in the way we use this term. maria, who has been fighting this fight, you know, as a journalist for many years who happens to be latina. i don't think this is simply a latina or latino issue. it's an american issue. >> maria, the argument they made and the times standard folks made,...

What we are trying to do can be in partnership with creating jobs and helping businesses. to the extent the government is the enemy. so, when we talk about small business trying to provide reassurance. it's what president obama is trying to do. we want to be your partner. when they talk small business, they are pegging us as the one who is the enemy. >> j.j., do you agree with what he said? you spend all your time talking to small business owners. the category is so murky. i watch your show and i have a retail shop and seven employees. >> access to capital is an issue. i don't find it as the b...