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Every small business owner will tell you their biggest issue is access to capital. how do they get loans? how do they survive the valley of death? the biggest place to help them is the small business administration providing the loans. three of the people that spoke at the republican convention received loans from the sba. the president increased the loans they are providing. he increased the limit from $2 million to $5 million. let's have a real debate. >> they expanded the category of enterprises and the amount of loans. >> that's true. >> the sba works with local banks. the smaller the bank...

Broken the law driving, broken the law in terms of not paying taxes, broken the law in terms of being a bad father, delinquent father and not paying child support. now, your friends are an illegal driver, illegal taxpayer and illegal father. no. i do what jose does. it is not a latino issue or immigrant issue. frankly, it's not even an american issue. it's a worldwide issue. who told me not to use the term illegal? it wasn't a radical professor. it was elle who could not be anymore different than me when i saw him, when i worked at cnn and i took the opportunity to ask him, as a journalist, wh...

Illegal. >> we have had an open, transparent conversation and i really appreciate her for doing that. you know, in our call in defending the use of the term, readers won't benefit if "the new york times," you know, stop using this. my question becomes which readers? as far as i'm concerned, the use of this term, illegal, underscores the nature in which the media talks and discusses this issue. it's a very -- the way we have talked about it mostly has been very problem oriented. >> that's interesting. >> how do you, in some ways, this is from somebody traveling around the country in alabama, ar...

>> you never know what comes first. it is the culture changing or the media that's driving things or a particular group that's making something happen? are they working in tandem going back and forth? you have phrases that have been successful through time but they keep getting relitigated. affirmative action versus quotas. pro-life versus proabortion and anti-abortion. you have the ones that identify groups. you have, you know, queer was once a bad word. then you went to homo sexual that was medicalized then gay but you don't call lesbians gay. there are things happening within the groups tha...

Something other than they call themselves. >> i would 1,000% disagree with you here. self-identifying who you are is one thing. within the black/african-american community, there are different views of what one seems like. you are walking around the issue. the other says black. black is black. say it. when you are talking about a political issue and if somebody says i want to define myself as pro-life, therefore my opponents are anti-life, you have allowed them to make the -- to win the argument before the argument takes place. i think issues are different. >> somebody who is gay and undocumen...