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It's not a social issue, it's the fabric of the nation. >> it's one of those issues that when we talk about these independent voters, you know, legalization of marijuana is something that libertarians talk about, that tiny little middle when we all say how could there be people undecided? that issue is one that resinates. >> it's showing up. i'm amazed by the polling in colorado on this. i think this is a place where we have paid a lot of attention on this show to the amazing evolution of public opinion on gay rights, but this is on legalization is another place. there's a real change happenin...

Social value to small businesses as small, independent book sellers you could do that. another area of policy is patent law. it seems those are two big parts of american policy that don't get discussed. >> well, my brother and i started a business in the mid-'90s in chicago. we eventually filed for two patents. we got them after our business was shut down. >> sad horns. >> we owned so much in legal fees. if anyone came up against us, we couldn't afford to go after them. >> that's the issue not talked about. not only do you not get the patent, you have to defend the patent. >> what does that me...

Ability to participate fully until the economy, you are talking women's rights, reproductive rights, drug laws. you are talking issues like prisons that we didn't talk about. gun laws. >> there ends up being a mars/venus distinction. >> right. in fact, what we never get to is the important thing we need to acknowledge and address, they are economic issues, the heart of economic issues across the country. >> drug laws create an entire generation of people because of things they have done and regret holds them down for the rest of their lives and creates a distraction. if life has not been kind ...

Nobody responded. >> we are going to fact check that one. that was the most agregregious . it's totally, completely absolutely 100% -- we'll do a fact check on the numbers in a second. >> i was going to say that, in this format, there was time to actually get to some meat of an issue, you bring it up in this debate. as we go down the line, you have three minutes and it becomes boom, you are out. it becomes that. >> what struck me, it was very beltway centric in the fact that the long term fiscal health of the country is the central issue for the people that work in washington think tanks that ...

We have this really evolving and growing immigrant rights movement, right? in the past three years or so, more and more people like me are coming out as undocumented, right? it's an interesting phrase. i have come out twice in my life. i'm totally done. i'm not coming out about anything more. have you seen an undocumented person that has a poster saying i'm illegal? no. the memo that frank watts wrote in 2005 saying you should refer to people as illegal immigrants to criminalize them. if journalists argue this, argue using the word illegal as a neutral stance, are we done listening to frank? >...