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Presidents have and issued only 148 pardons. joining us now someone who receive aid commutation from president clinton and pardon from president obama. sear ren nan nunn is now an attorney practicing in georgia. thank you for joining us tonight. appreciate it. >> thank you for having me. >> this is astonishing story. as we know, even in cases that deserve it, the statistical probability of getting a commutation are like below 1%. the possibility of getting a pardon are below 1%. you got both. how did that happen? >> well, first i would say i just thank god for both of them and through a lot of...

Absolutely no control over this power of the presidency. you would think that presidents would use thaws absolute power and use it a lot. a president could issue dozens of pardons a day, hundreds of pardons, thousands or maybe one a day. no president has ever come close to issuing a pardon a day. a modern presidency lives in political fear of being labeled soft on crime. and so the president's one absolute power is to put it mildly underused. president obama has issued more commutations of sentences than any other president. he has commuted sentences in 1,176 cases. that it's more commutations...