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Former watergate prosecutor nick ackerman, ramesh -- and former senator doug jones. gentlemen, great to have you here. i don't mean to be flippant, but this language, the grandiose language in this text that don jr. sent to mark meadows, it does ring a bell. when somebody says, we have operational control, total leverage, moral high ground, potus must start second term now, state assemblies can step forward to put the slate, republicans control 28 states, democrats 22, once again, trump wins. i don't know if that was an inebriated rudy giuliani or steve bannon, but that was a roadmap for what ...

Republicans control 28 states, democrats 22, once again, trump once. i don't know if that was an inebriated rudy giuliani or steve benin, but, that was a road map for what they ended up trying to do. >> yeah, there is no question about that, and the really interesting about that to me, alison, is that it clearly shows on that day, donald trump jr. thought his father lost the election. you don't hear anything in there about voter fraud, the fact that these lawsuits may be successful because they have great evidence. he clearly thought the election was done and over, and they had not even called...

You think to roommates. was it they were looking at, they were inebriated. some of these people. we know they were at bars and at parties. how in the world of the two roommates not have any idea what's going on? >> absolutely. listen, of course we are not saying that the roommates had anything to do with that but again, keeping everything in mind, that's the first thing as an investigator you're going to see. there's two people. a case like this where people are screaming, four people. he will be a horrific and dynamic and long-lasting crime scene. how could it be that two people did not hear ...

Thank you very much forjoining us on the programme. jonathan hasjust us on the programme. jonathan has just described the perpetrator in this as a very disturbed individual but do we have any more information on him? , . . . ., have any more information on him? , ., him? yes, according to the olice him? yes, according to the police he — him? yes, according to the police he was _ him? yes, according to the police he was at _ him? yes, according to the police he was at a - him? yes, according to the police he was at a court - police he was at a court hearing on a drug charge prior to the attac...

Legal challenges. >> again, as i said when i just spoke with dana, what did trump do? he stuck with his election lie even with stepien saying the same thing. so, alice, how does all this look to new. >> it looks bad. look, for years we've heard people say that donald trump is deranged or detached from reality from democrats. now, today, we're hearing it from, as you've said, members of his inner circle. look, bill stepien knows data. he knows polling. he knows numbers. and when he's telling you things look bleak, things are bleak. jason miller, he knows data. when he's saying that the odds are...