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Religion they are a minority being persecuted and not able to practice their religion in some cases under threat. >> let's go now to nbc's kelly o'donnell. she's at the white house for us. good day to you. did the administration expect this specific executive order of the 14 in the first week to spark this kind of reaction? >> reporter: we don't get a sense from the officials i've been talking to that they expected this level of protest. however, they have been accustomed to actions from donald trump following through on things he talked about in the campaign season to draw some response. i ju...

Post," they may have had a different view how things might have played out. we need to be cautious on that. on policy, there's no doubt the effects have been devastating for the u.s.-mexico relationship, look at the global gag rule intended to reduce the number of abortions and will increase abortions dramatically and increase the number of women dying in childbirth and of other kinds of ailments. i think it has been a catastrophic week for policy. i thif we need to be cautious about than. >> we have never seen in our politics a voting public that appreciates a chaotic white house. no polling ...

And decorum so dropping something at very last minute that runs into thursday and friday is probably unlikely. just a guess. >> surprised by this one? >> i was. and i agree with doug, i think this was kind of the opening shot in what has become the -- this new reality for us. and -- of leaks, e-mails, backing part of the public sphere, almost instantaneously but as doug says, president obviously thinks these things through and wanted to do it. >> let's move on now to talk about the incoming administration, fate of some of donald trump's biggest cabinet picks such as tom price and betsy devos u...

Is this omb chief pick, who obviously comes from a more conservative wing of the party. he is someone who has been, who is perceived, i think rightly so, who puts a pencil and pen to the paper to figure out where money is going. not only do democrats have their concern. it raises, i would imagine, some concerns among some of mr. trump's independent supporters who believe a big infrastructure spend and other things should be a par of what we doi going forward. there's probably confusion in policy circles. you can imagine what the traditional party thinking is in some of the caucus meetings taki...

Losing hope when that person is put in charge of our economy. >> you know what's hopeful, at the end of the year when so many millions of americans open up their 401 k and say not so bad. that's hopeful. i'm curious at the time aing of mrs. obama's comment that hope is leaving right now. >> isn't it something that hope is leaving when he her husband is leaving. i had a flashback to 2008 when she said she never felt good about america until her husband won the presidency. now she's saying that hope is gone because her husband is leaving. this is a self absorbed family, a selfish family. she sho...