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Insurance companies accountable, and it's -- when the public sees what is in this bill, because they by and large approve of each of the provisions, and when we showed them what the priority are that are been boiled down to, this is a smaller bill, and what it boils down to and what it means to them sitting around their kitchen table rather than us sitting around a table at blair house, i think we will have a very positive result and it will be great for the american people. >> but you know because you have heard from some of these house members, i am sure, who come to you and say i cannot liv...

To the issue of what can you do, you are going to vote no, but are their things within the parameters the democrats seem to go for reconciliation, and is there something you all can do in that process to either slow this down or stop it? >> let's talk about the fairness of it. just because it has been used before for lesser issues doesn't mean it's appropriate for this issue. you had senator byrd himself, the former democratic majority leader saying within the last year to use this device for something like health care would be an outrage, which must be resisted. that's a democrat, candy. that...

Would be an outrage that must be resisted. why did he say that, candy? he said it because you would have an unelected official, the senate parliamentian, determining what it is going to look like. that's why senator byrd had the severe reaction to take this approach on the restructuring on american society? >> yeah, and he did, and i want point something out. since 1980, there have been 16 times a reconciliation was used under a republican-controlled senate and 6 times under a democratic-controlled senate. it's not that unusual. and the minority hates it because it takes away the filibuster po...