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To give money to people to socialize the risk that they take and i don't want to socialize the risk. there are things you can do to build bridges, to build tunnels, to build things using private capital that are good. we see the top-down model of investment here in new york city in the subway. that ain't working too well here. i would also point out in 2009 in the stimulus, we threw $105 billion at infrastructure. barack obama described it at the time as the largest investment in infrastructure since eisenhower built the interstate system. what did we build out of that? we need to have creativ...

Between a border and a border wall. >> well, a wall keeps people from crossing your border. it makes it a whole lot more -- >> there's a fence there now. i think people do want something there -- >> it ain't working, don. >> but do you think that a border wall -- >> actually, it is, andre. >> it's working more under trump than it was working under obama. >> no. if you look at what is going on -- >> yes. >> -- with the numbers, under obama the immigration -- undocumented immigration into this country through the southern border was net negative, andre. okay? yes, they have come in less and less...

Have no mandate, bill. they say this ain't working for me, i'm running away. >> bill: the president said i would not sign graham-cassidy if it did not include coverage of preexisting conditions. a great deal, repeal and replace. come back to the block grants to states. if that becomes law, my guess is that puts a lot of pressure on the governors who are in charge of the states to execute this law effectively. yes or no. >> yes on that. we were talking about this. people out there don't realize that states are the ones who run healthcare to begin with. it is not the federal government. insuranc...

Trump is basically removed everyone from inside the white house with connections to that party. >> i think he's making a prosaic point. if you go back, and congressional leaders would say go back to january and start doing this whole health care thing through regular order, having committee hearings, you might have actually gotten a consensus among republicans and could have passed something. so there's a sort of very straightforward point mccain is making here, which is this could have gotten done had we done it the right way. mcconnell left it open. >> what we're doing ain't working. let's t...

They say you just want to kill it. you say? >> i say parts have to be repealed, because it ain't working. again, that's acknowledged by everybody. i recall bill clinton, during the campaign in 2016 saying this thing is crazy. it is not working for middle class families. in a private moment, my colleagues will agree with that. >> neil: do you regret the way maybe this was handled, a good reason for it, but by going to health care first, it took the momentum away in which your party for tax cuts, if it does stumble here, move on to tax cuts, see what you can muster? >> neil, we need to do both. ...