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Going to get something done. thank you. >> something done. this, just two days after manchin, the key democratic senator in the negotiations at this point, that he walked away from talks with the white house and said he was a no on that bill. and tonight, senate democrats are just minutes away from holding a conference call to discuss the fate of this massive bill and massive effort to get it over the finish line. manu raju is out front for us tonight. manu, what's going to happen on this call? >> well, it's going to be a lot of air clearing. we do kpap senate majority leader chuck schumer to ...

National security analyst james clapper, the former director of national intelligence. good evening, sir, or good afternoon from australia. good to have you on. so, director clapper, the deputy attorney general and the president, they're expected to meet on thursday. do you think president trump is going to fire him? >> i don't think so, don. i think this could possibly be nothing more than perhaps an air clearing. that's the good news. i think, though, the fact that they're having this meeting is yet another indicator that i think rod rosenstein's days are numbered. at some point, he is going...

Good to have you on. so, director clapper, the deputy attorney general and the president, they're expected to meet on thursday. do you think president trump is going to fire him? >> i don't think so, don. i think this could possibly be nothing more than perhaps an air clearing. that's the good news. i think, though, the fact that they're having this meeting is yet another indicator that i think rod rosenstein's days are numbered. at some point, he is going to leave. i think a logical -- maybe the most elegant outcome of all this would be agreement to leave after the mueller investigation is ov...

And still be deputy attorney general. i think we have to put that possibility on the table because we simply can't be sure what this meeting is about. it doesn't sound like we know for certain exactly what's on the table here. so i think a note of caution here that we just don't know how this is going to end, and it would be theoretically possible, within the realm of possibility that when the meeting is over, rod rosenstein is still the deputy attorney general for at least until the midterm elections which is the time frame we believe that the attorney general, jeff sessions will remain in of...