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Engagement since the invasion in 2014 get the kind of support that they need. the weapons and the people on the ground to help them man those weapons. the ammunition and the like. don't send it through baghdad. deliver it directly to irbil. have you been there. >> yes, i have been there. >> encourage alcee is i in egypt and jordan. work to build a true sunni opposition force in anbar province. the kurds are going to fight for kurdistan. they are not going to fight for ramadiy and mostly. those are not kurdish places. if you do this kind of thing i'm talking about building that if you will anti...

Sense but when you look at it from a strategist point of view. this changes are an increase of levels of activity, none of those are going to be decisive end to be decisive you really have to up the gain in iraq as well as on the lines we suggested, senator john mccain suggested also, all led visors on the ground, air controllers putting the force to get it that had meaning to it. that needs to be done. these incremental changes will not get us there and year from now as we begin to transition to a new administration we will be in the same place. bill: we are a long way from 10,000 today. and ...

You. colonel, my first question to you. when we hear turkey saying they warned these pilots ten times within a a span of five minutes, tell me about those warnings. how would that have been communicated? >> brooke, normally they do it over a common radio frequency. so the russian pilots should have been able to hear the turkish air controller telling them they violated turkish air space and need to turn back. that's normally what happens. the other would communicate visually. it sounds like they wouldn't do the visual part at all. >> i'm curious staying with you, would there have been anyone b...

American president at least at today's event? >> we know what to do militarily about this in the near term, brian. what we need to do is we need to go after the isis forces, we need the forward air controllers in there to be able to call in the air strikes and so forth. but the real issue here is political. what can we do politically to bring the opposing sides together. that is what's the future of syria. is it a unified state or is it a broken up state, and will religious minorities be respected. will there be a place for christians, or will there only be sunni. what kind of sunni. until we ...

Warner is basically saying he's open to u.s. ground troops and believes that the french president may be the guy who ties moscow and washington together to build this international coalition. >> i've been told that what francois hollande is likely to ask of president obama is ground forces in the face of the need for more better and more targeted air strikes. he'll asked for forward based air controllers, who have trained with the french. it would be a combined force, putting more troops at risk. so far the president has not been willing to go along with. he hasn't even put in the 50 that he s...