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Talking past each other. many looks for signs like coloreds only or segregated schools and that's only time that racism exists. not the case. look at schools where african-american kids go to school and heating and air don't work and flint, michigan, doesn't happen in orange system. look at systems of oppression in the country. may not say whites only but it's remnant of what country has to grapple with, element of racism and supremacy. that's what i'm trying to get them to understand. >> i think you're totally right. i've heard stories from the criminal law professor trying to get a cab and w...

What is it that you want to be hearing? >> well, for me, it's a direct focus. it's a blend of every pa think with fleshing out true policy platforms that are going to make our lives better on a daily basis. not just criminal justice reform but talking about educational opportunity in south carolina you have a thing such as the court of shame where kids go to school where their heating and air don't work and many are persons of color. you have many african-americans and individuals of color are predisposed to diseases and illness. then you have poverty not just in baltimore and chicago but in r...