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Country, jamie. [laughter] let me ask you this question, this is the broader question that this brings up as we see people exit the race. first this question, jamie. there are those that are amazing leaders, that are great leaders, and there are those that are amazing, great campaigners. who do we really want as president, and how does that question really weigh in to the remaining field? >> well, i mean, that's a great question, you know? it's sometimes you might be a great leader, but you cannot be elected in this day and age in presidential politics. think about mitch daniels. people wanted...

Trump is a natural television animal. relishes being in front of the camera. no way to get around it. >> the it factor. >> carlie especially last night she was up there to prove herself. that's why i think you saw such a sort of stud steady sobriety. for those who have seen her off camera, on the campaign trail. there is a warmness there that i think is going to come up later. >> how about you guys audibly reacted when jeb bush, donald trump hand smack. was it aggressively too hard. >> there was something behind it. >> something behind that? sending him a message? >> what i noticed about trump...

Trump is a natural television animal. relishes being in front of the camera. no way to get around it. >> the it factor. >> carlie especially last night she was up there to prove herself. that's why i think you saw such a sort of stud steady sobriety. for those who have seen her off camera, on the campaign trail. there is a warmness there that i think is going to come up later. >> how about you guys audibly reacted when jeb bush, donald trump hand smack. was it aggressively too hard. >> there was something behind it. >> something behind that? sending him a message? >> what i noticed about trump...

Way to allow voters to judge a candidate. of course as he said to me, he is going to try to put his best foot forward. all politicians do. all people do. that makes perfect sense. but when -- people don't have the-- the information that's readily available, public information. a private person. it is our responsibility to get, to get these things out there. now having said that, this is obviously very much a he said/she said situation. his lawyer versus her lawyer situation as well. this particular incident we are never really going to know. >> also, a deposition which are nasty things. to beg...

>> i'm just going to state the obvious here because everybody at the cleveland cavaliers needs to hear this obviously, relationship violence is an enormous problem in this country. 4 million women are abused every year. 15 million kids witness or are abused every year. we spend $4 billion a year on domestic violence related emergency room injuries and this is not a subject to make fun of or to use in a spoof ad and i'm still in shock that the cavaliers were so incredibly clueless about this subject. >> clueless as you call it then there's the, you know just don't get it factor that some people...