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I think what the president is doing is what he has been doing for months, trying to define the terms of this debate, of this investigation. he is trying to delegitimize it in a way that is not unprecedented, just like the bill clinton folks, going after the special prosecutor, his purview, his areas of inquiry and trying to undermine the whole thing. i think trump has tan it a step further by is suggesting it is a deep state conspiracy and it never should have happened. listen to trey gowdy. he said very simply, if the president is innocent he should start acting like it. why isn't the preside...

Groups show up at his events and would say he doesn't want thinking to do where him but they should show up anyway. they were attracted to his message and what he said. look, it becomes something that trump has to answer for. and that is uncomfortable for him. there's this line, he believes that being -- he's been the candidate against political correctness. this obviously takes ait a step further. >> we know the latino voting bloc is huge for 2016, especially for republicans. there's no way to get the white house without it. we've got jeb bush starting to directly attack donald trump now more...

Covered that a little while ago. now he is with possible reports, could be a swanson. let me particular it a step further. again the white house is saying he's saying this isn't the case. but maybe presidential aspirations, perhaps, you know, would it be understandable if he wanted a little distance between himself and the president? >> i don't think that's a part of any calculation. >> you don't? >> not at all. because i think paul has always been interested in policy and policy issues. and these are the things he's, right now, getting to work on this on taxes and hopefully within the next we...