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Aj goes you're a sociopath, you would send her articles where it said you were a billionaire and circle the word billionaire, and this is going on on the radio, i'm orchestrating this conversation that's unbelievable, some of the best radio you ever will read or hear. >> i found it painful to read. >> because he's our president. is that why? >> just painful as -- that he was taking pleasure in this, you know -- i mean, i don't know who aj benza is, he was on your radio, i hope he's doing well but, you know, it's not necessarily an even fight. and, i mean, he's -- it's the argument of a 15-year...

He's demonstrating a lot of behaviors that i recognize. >> tony schwartz, the ghost writer on the "art of the deal" has said he thinks he's a sociopath. >> i don't know. i'm not a psychiatrist and, you know, i devote -- there's a lot -- look, getting back to the art of conversation i could have called this book howard stern, the interviews, donald is a prominent player in these interviews over the years. and they're fascinating. i think the stellar piece in the book is when you read this back and forth with me being the wrestler, the referee to their wrestling match. >> with aj. >> aj, the col...

Behaviors that i recognize. >> tony schwartz, the ghost writer on the "art of the deal" has said he thinks he's a sociopath. >> i don't know. i'm not a psychiatrist and, you know, i devote -- there's a lot -- look, getting back to the art of conversation i could have called this book howard stern, the interviews, donald is a prominent player in these interviews over the years. and they're fascinating. i think the stellar piece in the book is when you read this back and forth with me being the wrestler, the referee to their wrestling match. >> with aj. >> aj, the columnist for the daily news, a...

Circle the word billionaire, and this is going on on the radio, i'm orchestrating this conversation that's unbelievable, some of the best radio you ever will read or hear. >> i found it painful to read. >> because he's our president. is that why? >> just painful as -- that he was taking pleasure in this, you know -- i mean, i don't know who aj benza is, he was on your radio, i hope he's doing well but, you know, it's not necessarily an even fight. and, i mean, he's -- it's the argument of a 15-year-old. >> it's a 15-year-old argument and he's picking the wings off a fly. >> yeah. >> and so, yo...

I mean he never would. >> there is no way -- i do not believe he has done psychotherapy. >> because he's demonstrating a lot of the behaviors that i recognize. >> tony schwartz, the ghost writer on the "art of the deal" has said he thinks he's a sociopath. >> i don't know. i'm not a psychiatrist and, you know, i devote -- there's a lot -- look, getting back to the art of conversation i could have called this book howard stern, the interviews, donald is a prominent player in these interviews over the years. and they're fascinating. i think the stellar piece in the book is when you read this bac...