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we asked the question what can the united states do to contain this alliance? contain is a loaded word and i wanted to ask you about that. should we be containing this alliance or can we destroy this al islands? >> we need to do a combined effort of both containment and disruption. whether we can disrupt the alliance, we can certainly try to disrupt the significant potential cooperation between iran and north korea nuclear weapons programs and missile programs by using the proliferation security initiative which the bush administration started to interdict shipments. by using a counter network operations model that was used against the pakistani nuclear network to take these guys out anywhere they're traveling, wherever their bank accounts are and what they're in cooperation with. jenna: take them out what do you mean by take them out? >> we took them off the international playing field through blacklisting their travel, arresting them, freezing their bank accounts

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