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Fides by several thousand percent would be alan simpson. he and i might agree 25% of the time, but every time i've interviewed him or visited with him, it's been a delight and he's been a pragmatist, because it seems to me, the old-fashion way he represented what is now missing. it's not kumbaya and we went drinking after 5:00 and the rest of that -- >> although they did. >> they did, but that's what people remember, if they remember anything, because they did too much drinking. but the element was, you were ultra-partisan sometimes. you fought for your parties and your matters of philosophica...

Administration with a deficit of $1.3 trillion, hostile to president obama's plan to create a bipartisan commission, the sole purpose of which would be finding ways to cut the deficit. the president still doing it, without them, scheduled to create the commission by executive order tomorrow and to tap as its co-chairman former clinton chief of staff,erskin bowles, a moderate democratic businessman from north carolina who made an unsuccessful run for the senate. and the republican, since no current members of that party would cooperate, alan simson of wyoming. mr. simpson saying reining in the ...

Can serve the public interest. maybe that would have to do with campaign finance reform, getting rid of lobbyists, whatever you want to pick. but he was not seen as a reformer, and only on the way out the door is he kind of whining about the situation. so it happens often, when people leave, they become critics. but that didn't really lead to much change, does it? >> no. but a guy with a few more bona fides by several thousand percent would be alan simpson. he and i might agree 25% of the time, but every time i've interviewed him or visited with him, it's been a delight and he's been a pragmat...

Partisan. you did, in fact, give and take, you did play ball, there was bipartisanship. instead, now, everybody is ultra-partisan, all the time. could the simpson message be of some value now? be partisan when it matters and back off when it doesn't? >> well, i think there have been periods in american history that have been hyper partisan. go back and look at what happened with thomas jefferson and john adams. they actually arrested political opponents back in those days. i mean, the thing is that we have real, honest to goodness philosophical and political and policy differences in this coun...

Fides by several thousand percent would be alan simpson. he and i might agree 25% of the time, but every time i've interviewed him or visited with him, it's been a delight and he's been a pragmatist, because it seems to me, the old-fashion way he represented what is now missing. it's not kumbaya and we went drinking after 5:00 and the rest of that -- >> although they did. >> they did, but that's what people remember, if they remember anything, because they did too much drinking. but the element was, you were ultra-partisan sometimes. you fought for your parties and your matters of philosophica...