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Democratic socialism is, then i am basically on board. i think middle-class people ought to have dignity and the current systems make that difficult. >> that's why albertine stein and helen keller and baker. we can go on and on. they are all democratic socialists. >> tucker: i understand. has it struck you as interesting it's never worked anywhere? the question is not what are our goals? our goals are the same. how do we get there is the question? what happened in venezuela? they don't have toilet paper. it's less equal than ever. >> part of the their problem is, brother, any times there were ...

Democratic socialism is, then i am basically on board. i think middle-class people ought to have dignity and the current systems make that difficult. >> that's why albertine stein and helen keller and baker. we can go on and on. they are all democratic socialists. >> tucker: i understand. has it struck you as interesting it's never worked anywhere? the question is not what are our goals? our goals are the same. how do we get there is the question? what happened in venezuela? they don't have toilet paper. it's less equal than ever. >> part of the their problem is, brother, any times there were ...