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Between epstein's lawyer and acosta essentially thinking the acosta for not telling the victims about the plea agreement. you're talking about sex trafficking. i don't know anyone at the department of justice with think it's a good idea but that was just and proper to keep a victim like that in the dark about what is happening to the person who perpetrated the electrical crime. >> shepard: he said he was afraid that outside the agreement epstein might've walked free. >> tells me it's not confident -- when i was a prosecutor, we had ways to protect victims. victims scared about testifying. it h...

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He was having second thoughts and was too scared to go through with his suicide. so, what now? alex lytle is here, criminal of defense attorney and live from nashville. it's an appeal to the supremes, and what is her justification and how might they react? >> of the supreme court takes one out of every thousand cases, but she has two argument. one of them, it wasn't there and she didn't take any action. if massachusetts wants to -- there's no way that ms. carter or anyone in her position would have known at the time of this conduct is that it was criminal defense. therefore the crime was vague...

Testimony for five hours without explanation. alex lytle is a criminal defense attorney, he joins us now. what's the reason for this mercurial judges five hour delay today? >> we haven't gotten a confirmed reporting as to the exact reason. i think there are a few clues. the judge went into the jury room and also the court reporter going into his chambers with the attorneys from both sides. that suggests there is something going on with the jury with possibly a juror who has been exposed to some information and said some things that he shouldn't have. if that happens, there has to be a hearing ...

Ellis mysterious halted testimony for five hours without explanation. alex lytle is a criminal defense attorney, he joins us now. what's the reason for this mercurial judges five hour delay today? >> we haven't gotten a d confirmed reporting as to the exact reason. i think there are a few clues. the judge went into the jury room and also the court reporter going into his chambers with the attorneys from both sides. that suggests there is something going on with the jury with possibly a juror who has been exposed to some information and said some things that he shouldn't have. if that happens, ...