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Disrupt an organization, the adversary is so committed, i mean, they believe that what they do is inspired by a holy book, that they'll just go on and plot another attack. so the business really became dismantlement, how do we destroy it. that's a people business. how do you find the operators, financiers, trainers, et cetera and how can you know where they're going to be tomorrow so you can pick them up. the explosion of intelligence at cia after 9/11 is hard to imagine. you have a small group of people in alec station who are looking at the problem pre-9/11, they had limited resources. after...

There's two different cultures there. one is an analytic culture, people who try to assess things, figure out what is actually happening somewhere and project ahead, and an operational culture that is people who go out and collect intelligence, develop human spies, handle them, run them, if you will. the unique thing about alex station was the fusion of analysis and operations. we pushed the analysts and the operations people together so the operations people knew everything the analysts were thinking and the analysts knew everything the operations people were doing. >> the people i worked wit...

Man named osama bin laden who was funding a lot of terrorist groups. we knew that there were people from terrorist groups from all over the world hanging out in afghanistan and in bin laden's circle. >> so you start to see signs of what looks like an organization, but is this bin laden as a financial manager with a bunch of companies funding various terrorist groups, or is there a separate terrorist group here. that was a big question. >> alex station was a collection of people who had backgrounds in everything from analysis to operations. when you think about the cia,

Some strikes are necessary. but if our solution to this kind of problem is to just strike without trying to take effective efforts to prevent the rise of threats, it's endless. >> it does not end wars on ter rigs. it only creates more terrorism. people become more radicalized. rules on terror should be fought under the radar as little as possible. >> we were working closely with the bin laden unit. it sort of turned a lot of assessments on what was happening.

There's two different cultures there. one is an analytic culture, people who try to assess things, figure out what is actually happening somewhere and project ahead, and an operational culture that is people who go out and collect intelligence, develop human spies, handle them, run them, if you will. the unique thing about alex station was the fusion of analysis and operations. we pushed the analysts and the operations people together so the operations people knew everything the analysts were thinking and the analysts knew everything the operations people were doing. >> the people i worked wit...