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Possibly everything -- >> right. >> -- and anything. what we actually see is a very narrowed vision of what that potential universe could look like because we -- the main issue is we don't know what drives that visibility. >> right. >> and as a result, what we found out, and here's the key point, is that those algorithmic systems, algorithm is just a ma mathematical method of sorting through. it's not the boogeyman. it's become the boogeyman because they basically optimized algorithms for corporate private return, that's how private companies function. as a result, what they found, their secre...

All our digital experiences. so their own choices, not even their engineers, but their algorithmic systems which are optimized for their own private benefit, become what sort of divide and conquer us, so that's why we're at this moment now where we're trying to figure out how to get the internet on the right course, right, good for everybody. not just good for a few private companies that are worth more than any companies in the history of the world. >> so the first memory most people will have of their interaction with the internet was probably in the early to mid '90s, email, plat -- you kno...