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Touch with _ the next step needs to be, to get in touch with a — the next step needs to be, to get in touch with a solicitor to help on the journey, touch with a solicitor to help on thejourney, it touch with a solicitor to help on the journey, it shouldn't have to do it oh— the journey, it shouldn't have to do it on her— the journey, it shouldn't have to do it on her own. we have been in this all me _ it on her own. we have been in this all me personally 13 years. i didn't want _ all me personally 13 years. i didn't want to— all me personally 13 years. i didn't want to say— all me p...

Person, i love having you here. tell me what you think about this, roger, what's -- why would we be less dynamic today than we would have been five years ago or 10 or 15 years a egg? >> so, ali the problem dates back to the early '80s. we made a series of changes to get rid of regulation, to essentially change the tax law and those things set in motion the things we see today. you saw the peak in startups in 1977, and we've been declining ever since. we've basically been rewarding companies, the biggest companies are the ones who benefit from deregulation. it's a really ironic thing. when they...