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Im far to in the some academic exchanges between western and russian scores continue as this crisis continues to escalate. Where do you think we are in uh in this the battle of what stage . The conflict tests taken . I think um my, my, my current phase over and were in a very dangerous not much. Yeah. And the danger roy is, this is the same thing. You said last time we talked the way its actually i think its for districts, god bless you have more time just yes because the closer but you crank comes to the fate of the most desperate potentially reckless the west is again about powerful um, extr...

Last time we talk what its actually a score districts, god bless you have multi just yes because the closer but thank you. Crying comes to the fate of the most desperate potentially reckless. The west is again about powerful um, extreme. His voice is becoming so it is quite possible that we may see some extreme actions to both stop ukraines defense. And then obviously that will be a danger of escalation arising out those actions. What do you to see as potentially extreme actions from the side of the west . Because its clear that the ukraine is becoming more liberal in its open use of terrace t...

Each of the parties. But 1st, that would probably have to parts with dia on sense of righteousness does the historical moment or the nature of this conflict allow for this or to discuss that. Im now joined by Geoffrey Roberts emeritus professor of history of the University College park. Professor roberts is always a great pleasure, personal, a pleasure to talk to you. But on top of that, im part and that some academic exchanges between western and russian scores continue as this crisis continues to escalate. Where do you think we are in uh in this uh, tobacco of what stage . Uh the conflict ha...

Im far to in the some academic exchanges between western and russian scores continue as this crisis continues to escalate. Where do you think we are in a, in this the battle of what stage . The conflict tests taken . I think um my, my, my current phase over and were in a very dangerous not much of the danger royce, this is the same thing. You said last time we talk what its actually i think its more districts, god bless you have more time just yes, because the closer but the ukraine comes to the fate of the most desperate potentially reckless the west is again about powerful extreme. His voice...

Yeah. Older kind of stuff is being be discussed at the beginning of the war and which a western lead is refused to contemplate of that, that time. But that back on the agenda and you know, the but they seem to be, id be more im, we take about seriously and id be more multiple patch of sex. Now i dont, i dont think the intention of those kind of actions troops on the banks on the ground or some kind of um, app our intervention it one bates us a lot precipitated waterboard roster. That wont be the, the intention of goals that wont be the danger that they know. Because obviously russia, i dont th...