Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20190123:15:25:00
And this relationship keeps breaking down. anybody who tries to check the president including a lawyer or communications record or runs cross sides of them seems to get in trouble. you're seeing that here. >> it could depend on how you see positive. the president sees tumultuous is okay. rudy giuliani argues he's doing alternative arguing. he's purposely arguing something different than the facts. >> it's ruling by chaos. that doesn't work as a legal strategy. courts and our legal system doesn't work that way. and if the facts and the law won't -- look, you can create a chaotic world as much a...