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And the medicare modernization act, for example, they grossly underscored how much we were going to save. the cbo is very cautious for institutional reasons. when you don't like their message, you don't just attack the messenger. you don't give us alternative numbers. >> i just gave you a graph. >> let me just say when you look at the savings, it seems to me in fact they are conservative. when i go out there you have a lot of activity we have never had. >> when do you go out there? >> all the time. >> the cbo provides no detail in terms of how to save money in the second decade. >> one another...

Honestly as you can. are there places in michigan that the united states would hurt -- >> he lost? is that what you are asking. >> bart stupak, to go in and support a democratic candidate, would that hurt him? >> i think it helps for the president to be in a plags. but the president lost many places in michigan, like he lost many places otherwise. it will always be a mixed picture politically, but i would say most places would welcome the president, even though they may not vote democrat iicdemocrd they respect him and understand he is fighting for them. when you compare the president's number...