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Question to you because obviously there's a lot of symbolism here, a lot of ritual. but it's not something that the vatican has done in over 600 years. this was a surprise when he announced that he would be resigning. what do we know at this point as to why? >> i think we take him at his word in the sense that he's 85 years old. he does not feel that he has the energy or the -- really the ability anymore to carry forward the work of the church. i think there's always vatican intrigue. that's a redundant phrase. and i think we'll continue to hear things about leaked papers and potential complic...

Are covering this story. i think far too many people are just saying oh, he's old. i think they need to dig into it a little bit more. >> you know, it's impossible, given the way the vatican runs. i will say there's a lot of reporters sent out there who are also practicing catholics. i'm a practicing catholic, and i just have a lot of questions. having said that, these are incredible images, incredible moment in history, in the history of the catholic church. we can take that moment for what it is. but we also should continue to ask questions because my hope for my church is that it becomes mo...