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The what they are conversation on the other hand takes things one step further and uses what they did and what they said to draw conclusions about what kind of person they are i don't care what he is, but i need to hold him accountable for what he did. and that's how we need to approach those conversations about race. >> instead of focusing on what cob conservatives are, we need to keep the conversation focused on what they are doing. this realm, very obvious racial asymmetries, the first and most obvious one, an issue we are covering here. new restrictions on voting, whether through voter i.d...

That narrowed rape to forcible rape. that excludes statutory rape, excludes rape by threat or coercion. that doesn't involve, you know, real physical force. it is really behind where the law -- the law has advanced beyond that, so i'd like to have your thoughts on why this compassion for some of your member members did not extend to the full range of rape victims, but only the akin promoted and paul ryan promoted division. >> the original language did not include that definition. i think it was a political calculation by national right to life to gin up the base and get pro lifers more to talk...

When we see that comment, we see the birther phenomenon, right? there are all sorts of things in american politics in the age of obama that have an acute racial subtext, but no necessary racial text. right? he's not saying anything imputably racist, right? and the way that we understand opposition of barack obama is colored we race in a way that can be the source of a lot of confusion, frustration and anger in the body politic. i don't like the guy, we have a $16 trillion debt. the whatever the issue is. my first question. what do you think when you see mitt romney make that comment? >> i thin...

Of the man from women. there is a second point. with the republican party, this issue represents ideology versus issues, and in a really specific moment -- >> what do you mean by that? >> the issue of women and trauma and rape can be absolutely sacrificed to the ideology that pro family, pro life, is everything, and that the establishment republicans who would dare to want to get akin out of the party will then be backed by people like -- there was a piece in the christian science monitor and one quote from lisa payne negha, from the missouri grassroots coalition. when i heard the quote, i was...

Feel like -- by putting words in front of rape. i you think rape is bad. >> a bold statement. >> that's why we have it here. >> can we just agree that rape is bad? a few words that don't need modifiers. >> and talking about legislating the shaming of women when it comes to making health choices. that health is not a choice that is up to them. it's something that can be imposed externally by men. >> and the president said that this week. >> he said rape is rape. >> but he also said, you know, these are kind of legislators that are mostly men making health decisions for women. >> including him, ...