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About as little as they can with this reversal. >> could this policy actually increase greenhouse gas emissions? >> yeah, it's interesting you ask that because even using the projections that the trump administration itself is making, it's actually possible that this will wind up increasing greenhouse gas emissions, and the reason that could happen is that they're pairing their proposal with another policy, which they're going to finalize a little bit later, and that will allow coal plants, the oldest, dirtiest coal fired power plants in the country to actually extend their lives and to upgrad...

The reason that could happen is that they're pairing their proposal with another policy, which they're going to finalize a little bit later, and that will allow coal plants, the oldest, dirtiest coal fired power plants in the country to actually extend their lives and to upgrade -- to update so that they can run more and run longer without putting pollution controls on. so if you think about that and if you think about actually extending the life of coal plants and you create a rule that asks them to improve only the tiniest amount imaginable, you actually can wind up blowing up the greenhouse...