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For years. putin appears to believe the threat of his russian forces on donbas on, the donbas territory, will get president zelenskyy to the table. meanwhile, we've heard that he will be calling up reservists. he said for now there is no need for a more general mobilization and he has continued, jake, to downplay the russian threat, saying just today, that he does not believe there will be an all-out war. that there will be no russian escalation. of course, jake, his allies strongly disagree. >> thank you so much. let's talk about this with cnn's counter terrorism expert and officer for the ci...

Yes or no. >> translator: the people's republics into the russian federation. >> translator: we're not discussing it. we're talking about recognizing their independence or not. >> translator: yes. i support the proposal to recognize independence. >> lake something out of a james bond movie. what did you make of the exchange? >> i think it is important for americans to understand this. this is not a foreign policy issue. this is how russians identify themselves in the failure over the decline of the soviet union. they watched the united states own them for 30 years. they watch as security with ...

On the table. i would go with the second. incremental and gradual. the reason is simple. putin has already had the opportunity to do this. he's had forces masked for some time. you have to ask yourself the question, why hand he moved? the only answer i can come up with is that he's getting what he wants already. the warning to the west that europeans and american should not move, which has been clear in countries like germany and tuts. any american president who contemplates expanding nato into ukraine knows the consequences. is that enough for putin? i don't know. i think at least he has to b...