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Shootings and the surviving family members of that. what if they are all at the white house talking to each other and now we're all talking to each other, not about each other. there might be something that emerges. i don't have a magic answer, neither do you. but i believe the magic comes out of dialogue. we are not even talking to each other, we are talking about each other about a rise in american death. that is dangerous. so i appreciate you continuing -- i know a lot of people, why are we going to show another mass shooting? we have to do it. and also there are options when both sides are...

Emerges. i don't have a magic answer, neither do you. but i believe the magic comes out of dialogue. we are not even talking to each other, we are talking about each other about a rise in american death. that is dangerous. so i appreciate you continuing -- i know a lot of people, why are we going to show another mass shooting? we have to do it. and also there are options when both sides are talking about this rise in violence. let's talk to each other, not about each other, maybe we can finding a way forward. >> i'll tell you what else. ordinarily when i do these things, the first time i've ev...