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insurrection, privy to nearly every major decision leading up to and during that day. according to the testimony of cassidy hutchinson, his top aide, meadows appears to have been at the center of the scheme to overturn the election. the 26-year-old, cassidy hutchinson, was brave enough, patriotic enough, to come forward. 62-year-old mark meadows is not. just a refresher, here's some of what we learned from ms. hutchinson about mr. meadows, something the committee would want to ask him about if he had the courage or decency to talk. >> i remember leaning against the hallway and said, ...

so, of course, has former white house chief of staff mark meadows despite having already been subpoenaed and cited for contempt of congress for refusing to appear. he was one of the former president's closest advisor in the runoff to the january 6th insurrection, privy to every major decision before and leading up to that day. according to the testimony of cassidy hutchinson, his top aide, meadows appears to have been at the center of the scheme to overturn the election. the 26-year-old, cassidy hutchinson, was brave enough, patriotic enough, to come forward. 62-year-old mark meadows...

The president wanted to go up to the capitol where these -- this armed mob was attacking the congress and trying to overturn the election. that is -- that is the main point, shocking as the story about limousine lurch was. the real legal import was that he wanted to go up there, and nobody is disputing that. >> previously had mr. engel or any other member of the detail testified before the committee, and had they been asked specifically about what happened on that morning? >> well, i don't have a photographic memory from the reading the transcripts. it's been a while now since i read his trans...

Testified -- i mean, i assume you would have asked them about what happened on january 6, given they were -- >> let me just say that what ms. hutchinson, i thought, gave compelling testimony under oath. we fully expected that loyalists to the president would try and undercut her, belittle her, try and disparage her. and i think that is ongoing. but, you know, we'll put people under oath and see what they say then. >> so, you want those two, tony ornado and engel, to testify before the committee. >> i think he went under oath and stand s by her testimony, which by the way is what she was told. ...

And you know, all she did was recount a report that was given to her. she wasn't in the car. and she told us under oath that mr. ornato relayed the story to her. if the secret service wants to come in under oath and say that they didn't tell her that or what they told her wasn't true, that's fine. but it misses the main point, which is no one's denying that the president wanted to go up to the capitol where these -- this armed mob was attacking the congress and trying to overturn the election. that is -- that is the main point, shocking as the story about the limousine lurch was. the real lega...