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With those facts? now, as a public service, joining me now, two people with knowledge of the report, marcy wheeler, independent journalist, and quinta, managing editor of "law affair," publishing this chart of trump's possible obstruction, used by democrats when they questioned attorney general bill barr. you were sort of tweeting and writing about this yesterday, the microcosm of this moment in which this new information comes to life that had already been in the report. when everybody's attention is focused on it, they think, wow, that doesn't look good. >> exactly. i think it really drove h...

Russia and doing all these crazy things that violated the stated policy of the united states, according to them, trump was already pissed at flynn. he was angry at flynn because obama warned him about that investigation on november 10th, 2016. so trump has spent the day saying, i didn't know about the investigation, and that effectively, according to the mueller report, is him calling steve bannon and hope hicks liars. that's what they told the fbi, is that trump not only knew about it, but that he was really stewing about it all through december 2016. >> marcy wheeler, quinta, thank you both....

Investigation into the russian hacking. no one gets this. no one gets that in the summer of 2017, at the same time that trump had just met for the first time with vladimir putin in this kind of crazy meeting in the g-20, he went to lewandowski, dictated to him -- it is right there in the report -- made him right it down. lewandowski is like, he's never dictated anything to me before. makes him write it down. in that paper, he says, go tell sessions to shut down the investigation into the russians who hacked us in 2016. mueller can investigate what's going to happen in 2018, 2020, but not 2016....

In london. but that seems really anemic for an investigation that's as serious as this, so that can't be true so there must be spying. at the core of barr's public attempts to justify what he's doing, which we, of course, know, trump ordered him to do, is not that there is any smoke, fire, or evidence that there was wrongdoing, but instead the absence of it. the fact that peter strzok, in august of 2016, said this is crazy, investigate this. peter strzok, the villain of trump's narrative, he lost that battle. as a result, we didn't have phone records from george papadopoulos until well after t...