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Said, there's rup for everyone in egypt and we are cautious about every drop of egyptian blood. he also added that the government will not established by and watch the destruction of the country and the people. we've got some breaking news just in. 38 muslim brotherhood prisoners were killed today during what the egyptian military calls an attempted escape. apparently more than 600 detainees were being held in a convoy when they tried to take a hostage. joining us now is special assistant to president obama, msnbc mid-east diplomacy analyst dennis ross, steve clemens and ann girin. thanks to y...

Obviously to this point, every effort we've made to get the egyptian military to pull back has not worked. i think we have to be mindful that the leverage is limited and also it if you take the step and cut it off, where are you then? >> right. >> we had a relationship with the pakistani government back in the 1980s when we had to cut off the aid and because of that we lost a relationship with the pakistani military for a generation and we're still paying the price for that. so it's not a simple decision. there are real dilemmas here and i think we need to think it through carefully and i thin...