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>> let me finish my thought. >> quickly, avery because we're getting into another aspect. i got the thumbs up we made good points. can you be quick? >> my bottom line, you're not going to see that kind of intrusive marker. you're not going to see it. if it's an issue of national security, i understand it. you can throw the first amendment away if we have that kind of control. not going to happen. >> a great discussion. it's not going to stop here. everybody's talking about this. >> and we just started. >> exactly. this is just the beginning. josh, great stuff. ann, fantastic. avery, appreciate...

Brother. your take, avery is that in the end freedom of speech is going to win out. ann, let me ask you, in the tug back and forth between which side is going to win, do you see a future with laws that any time you put anything on the internet it puts a digital marker so if someone needs it for a private lawsuit they can get it? >> absolutely. there are video cameras that are out on the street for security purposes that are filming us every day, day in, day out. i don't see where a digital marker on the internet is any different from that sort of security surveillance, so to speak on the inter...

Someone is victimized by it, what individual rights they have? i agree with ann, criminal law, that's the government prosecuting, but when dealing with personal rights in terms of a civil remedy, i think it's very difficult for the congress to enact legislation to provide for some civil claims, and that's really where the cutting edge is, where the collision course exists right now, when you're dealing with technology versus the law. that's where the problem is. >> so i guess we all recognize the problem, right, and we all believe in freedom of speech, but there's a freedom of defamation that'...

>> to follow up on that, there are reports that you are pursuing a lawsuit. have you decided whether you will pursue that action? >> i did will definitely do it. >> how about invasion of privacy. >> there have been times over the past year that i have screamed. i have cried. i have said to my family, why me? why is this happening to me? >> this morning, we ask, do we need new laws for the internet? as we examine the tug of war between your first amendment rights and your privacy. how can you even fight back and protect yourself? from cleveland, avery freed man, a civil rights law professor, an...