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>> all right. thank you very much, evan. obviously very significant details. and just all the specifics here, right? five hours, gosh, rudy giuliani would be thrilled with that. what was he saying, a couple but no more than 12? my goodness. "outfront," national affairs correspondent for "the nation" joan walsh. former senior communications adviser to the campaign, jason miller. january 27th, five hours, camp david. this could all be in the rear-view mirror. are you bummed they didn't just get it done? >> what we don't know is how close the sides were. obviously we don't know if -- really wha...

>> and you did have that to have hike, the hour-long hike after the train ride, incredible what you went through to get there. then as you're watching this, will, then the president of the united states comes out and calls off the whole summit. you find out about it. you ask the north koreans that you're with about it. you were at the nuclear site, supposedly dismantling it, and they had no idea? >> we actually had just left the nuclear site, we were on the train. it was very late at night here when the news broke. yeah, we were sitting around kind of talking about the day, getting ready to go...

Phasing-in process. which was against what the administration had been repeating over did and over, that no, this needs to be quick, then north korea can get its reward for that. you saw them trying to save this. but we know that this big sticking point has been north korea wanting it to be slow and phased, each time they take a step they want something in return. >> and ambassador, as we see these explosions, right, the images here are very powerful. but do you agree with bob baer that it's easy to test somewhere else, plus look at what we saw with iran, right? giving up a test site is far fr...

>> rudy giuliani's saying, we won't talk about obstruction of justice, we won't talk about what's happened since he took office, it's got to be in writing -- it's a negotiating tactic but go ahead. >> that's smart for rudy to do. >> we've got russians who have been indicted, it's not that nothing has come of this investigation. i know we're talking about it later so i'm not going to say much but we have new information about roger stone coordinating, trying to coordinate with wikileaks. so there's a lot more to be known about this. and it's understandable that the president's now -- his strate...

Some of it isn't surprising in that we know that the president's former legal team, john dowd and ty cobb, really did want to cooperate with the mueller investigation. they thought that the way to make it go away quickly was to cooperate. they did provide a lot of data, a lot of documents. and they really were working to get the president to sit down and talk with him. so there was a time president trump, he still says it occasionally, he might be delusional enough to think it would be a good idea. we knew they were trying to get it wrapped up. remember they were saying thanksgiving, first of ...