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Districts, in colorado and pennsylvania and a couple of other states. by three to one, people do not think that medicare should be a voucher program. three to one. even in conservative -- these are swing districts. in some cases, where our candidate or congressional candidate is down. so, you know, he's articulate, he's attractive, i'm sure he says what he thinks, which is always an attracti ivive idea, the problem is what he thinks is way outside the american mainstream in terms of the social compact and in terms of women's rights. >> crystal, he has a fake reputation as being a detail guy. t...

There's some new talking point os out there. >> everything he has brought to a vote in the house of representatives, none of it has become law, since he's been chairman. he passed one little thing about taxation of arrows, literally. he, himself is an archer, an archery hunter kind of guy. but there's a lot more we're going to learn about him over time. i think we're going to see a lot of these detailed studies in the press about what's in these financial disclosure forms of his. but i think, as i said earlier in the show, rush limbaugh's right, isn't he, joy, that this really is as focused a ...

Msnbc's steve kornacki and krystal ball. governor dean, a lot of democrats are saying, you know, this is the dream ticket. this is who they wanted on there. i actually don't think it's spin. as much as this is a time for spin, and you were going to get a spin reaction, no matter what in these situations, i don't think they're kidding. i think this is the ticket that the democrats want. >> well, you know, i think you have to be careful of talk like that, because it sounds like you're taking things for granted and you shouldn't. but ryan clearly is not going to help in florida. and it's true tha...

In washington some 20 years, that doesn't make may creature of washington. i'm actually a leader of washington. >> two bills passed. >> so you've got to get with the new program, there, lawrence. there's some new talking point os out there. >> everything he has brought to a vote in the house of representatives, none of it has become law, since he's been chairman. he passed one little thing about taxation of arrows, literally. he, himself is an archer, an archery hunter kind of guy. but there's a lot more we're going to learn about him over time. i think we're going to see a lot of these detail...

And when he dropped out, i said, obviously tim pawlenty is going to get the vice presidential nomination, but your august 10th headline of "fiscal times" is paul ryan will not be mitt romney's running mate. what happened here, bruce? >> well, the operation was a success, but unfortunately the patient died. well, look, my argument was essentially political, that it simply makes no sense for romney to put ryan on the ticket, if only because he doesn't attract a single new vote to romney that he didn't already have. and he brings along a lot of baggage, the ann rand stuff, the abolish medicare st...