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More than survive, we'll thrive. we were talking before we went in the break about george washington and god. you were saying? you wanted to read something? >> it is true as you said that a lot of people say george washington and other founders is a deists. that's somebody that believes in god and wound up the universe and took off and said good luck. >> glenn: right. >> tell me if this sounds like a deist. after attributing the salvation of america on dozens of occasions to god's intervention he said this after being elected president. "no people can be bound to acknowledge and adore the invi...

Earned the title "the father of the american revolution." jefferson even called him the "patriarch of liberty," but there was only one man who could have been called the father of our country and that's george washington. >> glenn: is there any president in your studies, is there any president that has even come close to the role he played? right guy, right time. and it -- >> i can't point to one. >> glenn: it was his honesty, wasn't it? >> and people knew that. and they respected him. and as you said in your intro, he was almost god-like that. -- god-like. that is the painting in the capital ...

Him. i think what i like about george washington is most of the choices he made, he didn't want to make. most of the things he did, he didn't want to do. he was revered for it. he was revered. and i think it's because they knew that in the end, he didn't matter to him. it was just doing the right thing. that's what mattered. tonight, i want you to spend an hour meeting george washington through the eyes of a couple of friends of mine. joining me, first of all is andrew allison. she the co-author of the true story of america's most indispensebable man. also earl taylor, the president of the cen...

Saying ah-ha? or did it just, did he just start to do the right thing? how did that happen? was there, was there a moment for george washington? >> i think it was a whole series of moments, but you know, in order to understand george washington, you have to understand his self-perception and his understanding of his role. we know of at least 67 occasions during the revolutionary war alone when he said that the american cause of independence would have come to a complete disaster except for one thing. and that was the direct intervention of god to save us. later on, after he was elected preside...

He said later on after he was elected president that you would have to be -- listen, is it okay? i mean you use a chalkboard. >> glenn: tell you what. hang on. we have to take a break but i want to pick it up there. if you will share that and let's talk about it. people say no, he was a deists. he didn't believe in god. he was a crazy, white, rich, slave owner deists. >> they need to read the book. >> glenn: okay. hang on. we'll come right back for that. ;7