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This is somehow, that our border has been secured in the way that they are going to be satisfied with. d so keeping cruelty on humans seeking safety, when asylum seekers, by the very nature of what they are doing, are trying to avail themselves of the legal pathway, they are trying to enter themselves into a system, literally raising their hands right now at the border saying, i am asking to be processed, i am asking for protection. i am asking to do this legally. and what we see time and time again, is a system set up with obstacles. whether it is the cbp one app, whether it is trapping peopl...

That they are going to be satisfied with. keeping cruelty on human beings seeking safety when -- asylum seekers, by the nature of what they're doing, are trying to avail themselves of the legal pathway. they're trying to avail them selves in another system. they're literally raising the hands at the border right now and saying i am asking to be processed. i'm asking for protection. i'm asking to do this legally. and what we see time and time again is a system that is set up with obstacles. whether it is the cvp one up, whether it is trapping people in between border wall since we saw on sunday...

Fearmongering relief from the anti immigrant side. and the thing is, with these deterrence policies that we're seeing, now no one is ever going to convince fearmongering anti immigrant, that this is somehow the -- borders up and secured in a way that they are going to be satisfied with. keeping cruelty on human beings seeking safety when -- asylum seekers, by the nature of what they're doing, are trying to avail themselves of the legal pathway. they're trying to avail them selves in another system. they're literally raising the heads of the border right now and saying, i am asking to be proces...

In san diego this week, and i saw personally yesterday. this type of treatment that is meant to make it impossible for people to actually get protection, none of this is ever going to satisfy the anti immigrant side. >> yeah, i mean, krish, to underline what lindsey is saying there, i think joe biden could go down to the border, build a wall himself with his own bare hands, and even then, he would not have republicans and nativist say, okay, job done, we did it. for them, they are insatiable on this issue. so i am unclear from a political calculus standpoint what the true value is. to some dem...