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2012. can you just give me more historic context and also its ties to the french? >> i mean, it used to be a french colony. there's a natural tie there. in 2012, 2013 this al qaeda group went in there and actually took over more land than any terrorist group had ever controlled up until that point. since then isis has gone then to quantum levels beyond that. but for awhile, mali was a real focus of antiterrorists attention because of this concentration there. but throughout africa whether it's in mali or boko haram in nigeria or the horn of africa, you see extremist groups. they are active the...

How effective has the state department been in advocating for his release? >> in my opinion they have done nothing. i hear secretary kerry saying they are doing things but it's four years. we've been hearing the same thing over and over again about we're trying or we're working on it. i don't know what it is they are trying. i don't know what they are doing. >> there was a statement this week on the anniversary from cuba's government saying the cuban government -- in part, "the cuban government reiterates its readiness to immediately establish a dialogue with the united states government to fi...

The statistics indicate that. the fatalities are way up. the numbers are way up. there are new bombs, very big bombs, trucks being reinforced for those bombs. >> i absolutely agree that we are not safer today for the same very reasons. so the pressure on our intelligence services to get it right to prevent an attack are enormous and it's getting more difficult because we see al qaeda as we knew it before is metastasizing to something different. >> he says public scrutiny over american intelligence work including the nsa is hurting anti-terrorists already they are back. >> i thought you were ta...