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With you, the objective of making sure that we have a competitive, transparent system wherein there will not be monopolies. in fact, as you know, we just passed legislation through the house of representatives to withdraw the antitrust protection from insurance companies. so that insurance companies cannot collude in terms of setting prices or making their determinations. we think that was an important bill. some republicans, frankly, spoke against it. but it passed with over 400 votes. >> with that said, the senate -- listen, you and i are in agreement on a lot of these things. at the same ti...

And fix prices? one that started in 1945 and has no -- no -- no legal or moral justification in 2010? >> well, joe, i think you're absolutely right, that the antitrust exemption is long overdue for repeal, and it's why an overwhelming majority of the house republicans and democrats voted to do just that, to take away that mccaron/ferguson exemption. i hope the senate steps up and does that. in the meantime, we need transparency about what in the world is going on. we're talking about people that have the leverage in the new market place. exchange if health reform passes. some kind of ability t...

I don't understand it, i don't understand it, i don't understand it. i haven't seen an insurance ad yet. >> no. i have talked to insurance executives and they say they want to stay a million miles out of public view in this. they also say no one is really talking to them. the white house isn't talking to them. >> interesting. >> they are just out. and -- >> i talked to the ceo at a reception in new york, mike barnicle, of a big health care -- one of the top health insurance -- i asked him about it, and he said, you know -- he sounded a lot closer to the white house than me. you can't buy acros...

Ambitions and creating small bite-sized bills nobody can afford to be against. they could try to kill them procedurally so you can't detect their fingerprints on the death, but they can't vote against them. >> here are the day's highlights as near as i can ascertain them. one, despite the 406 yay votes, the gop tried to kill the vote as you said procedurally on the antitrust, killing the antitrust exemption. then, two, a republican obstructed his own effort to chastise a democrat for calling the gop out on obstructionism. and three, the gop says heading into tomorrow's summit, scrapping the cu...

Antitrust exemption, what about tort reform? i don't see any of that in there. >> all of that's in there. i'm the leading supporter of tort recommend. the my bill. and portability is very important and obviously insurance across state lines works, so i support all those concepts. the basic theme of my proposal is let's control the cost of health care. i mean, the simple fact is we as a government and we as a nation cannot afford the blurnlgonning, exploding cost of health care in this country and unfortunately the house and senate bill, they pad the house with democratic support, massively spa...