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>> joe, it -- it appears that barack obama has gone all larry kudlow on us. >> well, this is part of the problem of trying to have a coherent message about these kinds of issues. on the one hand, i think the american people would like somebody to say we need to recapture some of the money that's gone into the t.a.r.p. and the other programs that allowed bankers to take home huge paydays that they didn't necessarily earn. and i don't know why the president would make analogy to baseball, except the antitrust exemption. i don't exactly get why he would have said something like that. >> as paul k...

Going after the antitrust exemption for insurance companies. i for the life of me can't figure out why there's price fixing. >> and why would you do the deal with the drug companies that you absolutely criticized before the whole thing started? you did the whole thing in secret. >> and then you can say, why did you do the deal with the big hospitals that you lied about publicly until the "new york times" caught you and put it on the front page of their sunday paper? listen, the republicans politically have all of the strong points here. they really do right now. unfortunately, they don't have ...

Trail, that rabbit trail. got killed in massachusetts politically. they got the message and corrected their tracks. >> i don't think some of these long-term strategies can be good. >> for deficit reduction and jobs. >> i agree that the headline has to be jobs. >> if they were going to do health care reform, they should have done real health care reform, instead of selling out to big pharma, trial lawyers, unions, big health care companies. not getting rid of the antitrust exemption for health care insurance companies, allowing people to buy health care across state lines. there was a way to do...

Exemption, that would lower costs, allowing competition across state lines, would lower costs. without the federal government spending a dollar. but the president can't do it, because he's striking all these deals. >> and his deal with pharma. you know, not being able to have drug importation, not being able to negotiate with lower prices. >> think about that. you don't allow for negotiations with -- because of big pharma, right? and i know we got to go to break. and you allow health insurance companies to fix prices behind the scenes. there is price fixing going on, and why? they get an antit...

As we think about moving forward, i hope we don't lose sight of why we are here. we have to finish the job on health care. >> finish the job. president obama today trying to lead democrats out of the wilderness on health care. it is going take more than words. house and senate leaders now still at odds over the next steps. carrie brown is reporter from politico. what's pelosi want do? how does it conflict with what harry reid wants to do? >> reporter: nancy pelosi said yesterday she would push ahead next week on a bill that would list the antitrust exemption for health insurers. this is a very...