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Populism in the democratic party. >> will that be to the danger of the democratic party, so hard live -- >> it could be. a it's question whether somebody is able to make it more centrist. the point is -- >> who of those not hillary clinton's make that case? to you? >> well, i think that's the question. i think the governor of montana can, former governor -- elizabeth warren, jim webb could be an independent. he hases been a republican, democrat, left the senate, frustrated. and the antiwashington message, which is the basis of jimmy carter in '76, partly george mcgovern's message in '72, and r...

Money in part because the left of the democratic party so strongly supports him. if you look to the grassroots, the net roots, for example, they have all, just about all of them, come out for him. they can help him raise small dollars, and he also has access to large dollar money as well. so i don't think that's going to be the problem for him. rather, it's going to be that the democratic establishment in arkansas, more or less, still supports lincoln. jane: larry, one last question in arkansas, then we'll move to wisconsin. what is it about the question that halter potentially brings here? i ...